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留言1留言人:卢朝雄留言时间:2005-08-25 15:47:38
标题:等待您们帮助的肝硬化患者
内容: 看到电视节目后,希望对贵院的干细胞移植手术更进一步的了解。我患肝硬化多年,一年半前有过一次肝昏迷史。也出现过腹水。请您们多提供一些关于干细胞移植的信息.请与我联系。Tel:023-65261013


 留言2留言人:彭海波留言时间:2005-08-25 13:37:42
标题:因做胆结石微创手术而伤了肝
内容:我父亲因在南充做胆结石微创手术而伤了肝,后经重庆西南医院诊治说要换肝,因担心病人身体不好而没做,他现在在家里吃中药保守治疗,他生病期间有内出血情况,现在身体恢复还好,但仍然在做保肝,我想咨询下可否做甘细胞移植,以达到彻底治疗.联系电话:13965544399或05552108437

如果这些战友上当受骗,长途奔波,不仅难以延长生命,而且只有死路一条。

论坛一个去 提醒的都没有,难道你们忘了一位美国牧师的话了?

“起初他们追杀共产主义者,我不是共产主义者,我不说话;接着他们追杀犹太人,我不是犹太人,我不说话;此后他们追杀工会成员,我不是工会成员,我继续不说话;再后来他们追杀天主教徒,我不是天主教徒,我还是不说话;最后,他们奔我而来,再也没有人站起来为我说话了。”

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对于这个问题

论坛医学区的资深版主,法医黑手党的意见:

以下是引用我的沉默在2005-6-23 20:36:01的发言:
看了一下相关资料,目前着方面技术不是很成熟,成功的概率不高,还处在实验阶段

论坛咨询版版主,传染科资深医生的意见:

以下是引用大旺在2005-6-24 22:42:24的发言:
报纸上的医疗信息多是胡说八道的.医学不能"本报讯",
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论坛医学区的台柱子,411老师的意见:

以下是引用liver411在2005-6-26 11:47:01的发言:

说过几遍了, 还是要说. 它目前只能充当"类似肝脏细胞"作用, 暂时恢复一些患者肝脏功能, 长期效益没有对照和资料...它目前不能再生组织(因为不是真正的肝脏细胞), 所以肝脏硬化本身并不能改善, 杆细胞有研究潜力. 但是请不要说风就是雨. 而且美国, 韩国和英国最早发现这个的同志们(就这个问题, 诺贝尔奖不是中国的因为发明的原始人不是中国)), 如果用异体, 包括自体的骨髓, 研究人员也不能确定长期没有过敏性综合征或移植物抗宿主病.

以下是引用liver411在2005-6-26 11:58:45的发言:

英国BBC五年前就刊登了这个信息...文中强调认识并掌握杆细胞转换成组织细胞才是关键....


Wednesday, 19 July, 2000, 18:04 GMT 19:04 UK
Stem cells promise liver repair



By BBC News Online science editor Dr David Whitehouse
UK scientists have shown how cells from transplanted bone marrow can turn into liver tissue.
The finding raises the prospect of regenerating diseased livers. It may also pave the way for new gene-therapy treatments.
Researchers already knew that so-called stem cells in bone marrow were responsible for generating blood cells.
The new discovery that stem cells can also turn into liver cells inside patients means that marrow stem cells could eventually be used to repair damaged livers as well.
Stem cells are special cells which have not yet become totally specialised to one role in the body. The techniques developed to isolate these cells are regarded as being among the most important scientific discoveries made in recent years.
Drug side effects
Professor Nick Wright, of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund (ICRF), said: "We may be able to stimulate liver regeneration using cells from the patient's own bone marrow."


We could avoid problems with current liver transplants where the patient's body rejects the foreign organ

Professor Nick Wright
And he added: "This would be particularly useful for patients whose livers have been damaged due to drug side effects, or through surgery to remove cancers that have spread to the liver, and where there is insufficient functioning liver remaining."
Professor Wright's team says that livers that are defective because of a faulty gene could one day be repaired using stem cells that have been given a working copy of the gene.
But it is the prospect of being able to generate new liver tissue using the patient's own stem cells that really excites the scientists.
"We could avoid problems with current liver transplants where the patient's body rejects the foreign organ," said Professor Wright.
Patient's blood
The scientists conducted a genetic analysis of liver cells from female patients who had received bone-marrow transplants from male donors.


Adult stem cells offer great promise in medicine as they may generate the full spectrum of cell types needed to repair a damaged organ

Dr Malcolm Alison
Liver cells from male patients who had been given whole livers from female donors were also examined.
Using a DNA probe that identifies male cells, the scientists found male liver cells in the female patients, indicating that male bone-marrow stem cells had repopulated the liver.
Male liver cells were also found in a female-donated liver, showing that the liver had accepted bone-marrow stem cells from the male recipient.
Dr Malcolm Alison, a research pathologist based at Imperial College School of Medicine, said: "We already knew from laboratory experiments that liver cells can be derived from bone-marrow stem cells, but we had to show this happened in humans as well.
"Adult stem cells offer great promise in medicine as they may generate the full spectrum of cell types needed to repair a damaged organ. Working with human blood-forming stem cells is particularly attractive as they can be harvested rapidly from a patient's own blood."
Ultimate flexibility
Using adult stem cells will also avoid the ethical problems associated with even earlier cell types.
Embryonic stem cells can, in theory, be made to develop into any cell type in the body - they would offer the ultimate flexibility.
But their only source is from aborted tissue or discarded test-tube embryos, and several campaign groups have vowed to fight any law change that would permit the widespread harvesting of stem cells in these areas.
Professor Wright said: "If we can understand the mechanisms and identify the switches that trigger adult stem cells into regenerating specific tissues, the future could see a revolution in transplant medicine."
Around 5,000 people in the UK are awaiting organ transplants, and for many an organ will almost certainly not be found in time. Patients will inevitably die waiting for a suitable donor.
"Eventually, adult stem cell technology may overcome this problem," Professor Wright said. "Clearly there is still much work to be done but the potential for therapies is enormous."
The work, reported in the journal Nature, was carried out in London by teams from the Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Imperial College School of Medicine, and the Royal Free Hospital. Search BBC News Online



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救揪哪些还在被骗的战友吧,让人间少一处悲剧。

我母亲不是第一个,但我希望是最后一个被骗者。

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强列支持云帆风影!

为你对母亲的赤子情怀,感动!!感动!!

母亲在天之灵也会欣慰了!

更对你以已推广的“革命”热情,敬仰!敬仰!!

英雄你一定要保重!!

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都是骗钱的,所以我都不相信,我二十多年了也没吃药,反正不能转阴的,我照样生活的很好,要注意保肝啦

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回复:(梦雨)都是骗钱的,所以我都不相信,我二十多...

军队医院加国家媒体的宣传,老百姓能不相信吗?

本以为能解除病魔的折磨,却没想到落入这阎罗店的火坑。

坑蒙诱骗,使尽浑身解数,真真个吃人不吐骨头的吸血虫。

枷锁已开始上了这吸血虫的身,看看 这些玩意再能横行几日?

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楼主对于乙肝的知识储备严重不足,才会发生这样的事情

请参考诸位医学版版主的意见

本来就是实验中的东西

不过,也许很有前途的

但是很不成熟

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上次开庭,一位医生大言不惭的说:“医生给病人治病就是一个摸索的过程,出了错死人是不需要负责任的。”

活现现一个草菅人命的嘴脸。

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