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发表于 2006-5-14 08:21 |只看该作者

我们那儿最好的地级人民医院不能检查锌,也没有利福昔明。

明天去北医三院看看,据海南一生产利福昔明(商品名 希捷)的厂家说,三院曾经用意大利阿尔法韦士曼(AlfaWassermannS.p.A.)的利福昔明(Rifaximin)(商品名 洛米克思,在中国获得的药品行政保护于2005年4月23日终止)做过三期临床,对肝昏迷的治疗效果很好,也用希捷做过临床实验,效果也不错,是处方药,北京只有三家医院有,药店没有(怪不得将近一天的时间都在往各药店打电话寻找利福昔明,结果都是没有)不知道病人没有到,能不能把药开出来,看了。

另外,请问411老师,这种自然形成的分流(侧枝循环)能够用仪器检查出来吗?

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看来我也有“脑雾”了,今天起了个大早,匆匆赶到医院,被告知今天不上班,我还一本正经的问:不上班?可是我在网上查到周六有医生出门诊啊,那人盯着我看了一会儿说:今天是星期天.

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孝感动天!我们俩都一样,你为母亲,我为父亲,要有坚持下去的信心,一切都会好的!加油!!!

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如果屡次昏迷,果糖单独无效的话(每天3次大便情况下),应该加上药物,不然常常昏迷会造成损害。很普通/重要的药物,一定会有的。

另外,请问411老师,这种自然形成的分流(侧枝循环)能够用仪器检查出来吗?

CT, MRI都可以看到,叫"spontaneous shunts”, 即机体建立了另外一套体内循环结构, 血液不首次或根本就绕开阻碍住的肝脏,带有毒素,造成神志不清楚,日夜水面颠倒,容易忘记事情,怪脾气...等。

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果糖单独无效的话(每天3次大便情况下),她现在是每天1次,偶尔还隔一天,是不是也需要加大乳果糖用量?

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她现在每天多少?15cc PO BID?
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丹东康复制药生产的乳果糖口服液,和杜密克用量不太一样,说明书上的正常用量是每次10ml,每天3次,一直按说明服用。这两天大便间隔时间变长(妈妈说是前两天睡多了的原因),正在加量,已经改成每次20ml,应该可以起作用。

我以前也和妈妈说过要保持每天2~3次,她总是非常肯定地说不可能,理由是吃不了很多东西,今天又多了一个理由,服用量大了,胃不适(不过过一段时间会消失)。因为前段时间状态非常好,有些大意了,如果真的是乳果糖量不够的话,我一定要哄她加大用量。

需要加量吗?请411老师和其他版主明示。

另外,平常口服支链氨基酸有意义吗?

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这位著名的专家也不知道利福昔明可以用于治疗肝性脑病,无功而返。。。。

以后,看病千万不能找年纪太大的大夫,他们虽然经验丰富,但是知识陈旧,对自己研究领域的前沿不了解,就靠过时的认知讨生活,太可怕!(如果说是全部,太武断,但是大部分都这样,可悲!)

 

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Per your information:

Treatment includes the discontinuation and avoidance of all sedatives, tranquilizers, and pain medications; discontinuation or reduction in the dosage of all diuretics; treatment of infection (particularly SBP); elimination of constipation; control of gastrointestinal bleeding; and reduction in amount, or total elimination of, animal protein from the diet. Some liver experts believe that strict vegetarian diets can help improve encephalopathy.

(Further management involves oral administration of an antibiotic, (如果新的药物 Xifaxan ( rifaximin) 不知道,就的药物也应该知道)most commonly neomycin (4-6 grams per day). Since bacteria that naturally live in the intestines produce ammonia, and since ammonia has been linked to encephalopathy, treatment with neomycin (which reduces bacteria) should improve encephalopathy. Neomycin should not be used in people who have renal (kidney) failure, as it can be toxic to the kidneys. Metronidazole (Flagyl) at a dose of 800 mg/day  taken for a period of one week, may be used as an alternative to neomycin.  People found to have Helicobacter pylori in their stomachs must be treated with antibiotics and a proton-pump inhibitor(提到的PPI) – such as Prevacid. Since this bacteria produces urease (an enzyme needed to produce ammonia), it may have a role in precipitating encephalopathy. Lactulose is a very sweet, synthetic sugar that acts as a powerful laxative. It acidifies the stool and thereby traps ammonia and drags it out of the body along with other fecal material. Therefore, lactulose can be quite useful in the management of encephalopathy. Kristolose (manufactured by Cumberland Pharmaceuticals), is a crystalline form of lactulose. It is not as sweet tasting and syrupy in texture as lactulose and is thus more palatable to some people than lactulose. The dose for either lactulose or kristolose ranges from 30-60 grams per day. The goal is for the patient to have 2-4 loose bowel movements per day.  Once the initial bout of encephalopathy has been overcome, maintenance with lactulose should continue with a goal of 1-2 loose bowel movements per day.

     Zinc levels should be checked and supplemented if found to be deficient, as zinc deficiency may be a contributing factor to encephalopathy. Thiamine deficiency should also be considered, and supplements should be routinely administered if the patient has a known history of alcoholic liver disease. Administration of branched-chain amino acids (leucine, isoleucine, and valine) may have some benefit; however, evidence supporting this is inconclusive. Two other drugs, flumazenil and bromocriptine, may be useful in the treatment of encephalopathy, although further study is needed to confirm this. Fortunately, if the precipitating factor is promptly corrected and if treatment with lactulose is expeditiously started, encephalopathy, in most cases, will be reversed—at least on a temporary basis.  Liver dialysis should be considered if encephalopathy does not improve despite the use of conventional medical treatments. Liver dialysis is analogous to kidney dialysis. A catheter is inserted into a vein in the patient.  Some blood is removed through the catheter and is passed through the liver dialysis unit.  In liver dialysis, toxins such as ammonia - which may cause encephalopathy, are removed from the patient’s blood. Then, the newly cleaned blood is returned to the patient through the same catheter. It takes about 4-6 hours to clear the blood of potential toxins that may  cause encephalopathy. The HemoTherapies Unit is currently the only FDA- approved liver dialysis device in the United States. Many other devices are in the process of being developed. In any case, people with encephalopathy should be evaluated for a liver transplant.

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