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Why Won’t Doctors Treat Young Adults with High Viral Load and No Signs of Liver Damage?
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If antiviral medications almost always lower viral loads, why don’t doctors treat young adults with high viral loads with this daily pill? After all, don’t high viral loads lead to liver damage and even liver cancer?

This is one of the most common questions posed to the Hepatitis B Foundation, and at first glance the decision not to treat a high viral load with antivirals seems counter-intuitive or plain wrong. If antivirals reduce the number of hepatitis B virus (HBV) in the body, won’t that give the immune system an opportunity to clear out the remaining residual HBV?

Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. It’s complicated, as are many aspect of hepatitis B.

It’s common for young adults (up to age 30) who live with hepatitis B to be in the “immune tolerant” stage of infection with extremely high viral load (HBV DNA) but with no signs of liver damage.

When we’re born to mothers infected with hepatitis B, unless we’re immunized at birth 90 percent of us become infected from exposure to infectious blood and body fluids during delivery. And when infants are infected, their immature immune systems don’t recognize the virus. The young immune system misses the “red flag” signature on this hepatitis B virus and “tolerates” the infection instead of attacking it.

In contrast, when we’re infected as healthy adults, our immune systems immediately detect and identify hepatitis B as a viral invader and aggressively attacks the virus and any infected liver cells. In adults, it generally can take up to six months for the immune system to eradicate the virus. When we’re infected as children, it can take up to three or even four decades for our immune systems to notice the virus and shift into “immune active” battle mode.

Until the immune systems notice the virus and begins to fight the infection, children and young adults remain in the “immune tolerant” stage, with sky high viral loads that can reach 1 billion international units per milliliter (IU/mL). Unencumbered by an immune system that’s on the offense, the virus hijacks liver cells to replicate and churn out more virus.

Because the immune system isn’t attacking and damaging the infected liver cells, liver tests (ALT or SGPT) results show no signs of damage and usually remain in the normal range (30 or less for men and 19 or less for women). And until our immune systems wake up and launches its attack, doctors say there is no reason to try to lower the viral load in these young adults because even when antivirals lower viral load, the immune system stays dormant and doesn’t go on the offensive.

Experts recently re-examined whether this hands-off approach was still valid and reviewed more than a dozen studies that examined whether antiviral treatment benefited immune-tolerant adults.

At the November 2015 AASLD Liver Conference, researchers reported, “There are no studies demonstrating that antiviral therapy is beneficial in reducing rates of liver cancer, cirrhosis, and liver-related death in persons with immune-tolerant chronic hepatitis B.”

Following their instruction to “first do no harm,” the experts recommended, “Given the lack of evidence of benefit to those with (high viral load and normal ALT levels), the potential harms of finite (or longer) antiviral therapy, including cost, antiviral drug side effects, and development of resistance, outweigh benefits.”

Let’s explore their rationale:

    Antivirals work for only as long as you take them. Once started because of liver damage, patients can be on them for many years, and when patients go off antivirals, they often experience a “flare” with a sudden increase in viral load and ALT levels that can be dangerous.
    The leading antivirals, including tenofovir (Viread) and entecavir (Baraclude), are not cheap, especially tenofovir which is not yet available in a generic formula.
    And antivirals have side effects, which can include bone loss, impact on kidney function, and a risk of developing drug resistance.

So, if treatment will not yield good results, why put young adults through the cost and medical risk? In fact, experts don’t even treat immune-tolerant patients who have family members with hepatitis B-related liver cancer.

The experts did make clear that all immune-tolerant patients should have their ALT levels and viral load checked at least every six months so doctors could monitor their infection.

Still, this is challenging to hear when we are living with hepatitis B or just recently diagnosed with a chronic infection. We want to do something to fight the infection. But without an active immune system as a strategic partner in our fight against hepatitis B, we must be patient and let go of a quick-fix hope, as much as we all want a magic pill to cure our infection.

So in the interim, until our immune systems wake up and starting fighting the virus in our bodies, we do what we can to protect our health, including eating healthy foods, avoiding alcohol and cigarettes, and getting monitored every six months. It may not feel like it’s enough, but for now it’s all we can do.

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为什么不是医生治疗年轻成人高病毒载量和肝损伤的迹象?
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抗病毒药物几乎总是较低的病毒载量,为什么不是医生治疗年轻成人高病毒载量与此日常丸?毕竟不高病毒载量导致肝损害,甚至肝癌?
这是造成对乙型肝炎基金会最常见的问题之一,乍一看不以治疗高病毒载量与抗病毒药物的决定似乎是反直觉的或完全错误的。如果抗病毒药减少体内乙型肝炎病毒(HBV)的数量,将不会给予该免疫系统的机会,以清除剩余的残余乙肝?
不幸的是,它不工作的方式。它的复杂,因为是乙肝许多方面
这是常见的年轻人(不超过30岁),谁住乙型肝炎是在“免疫耐受”的感染具有极高的病毒载量(HBV DNA)阶段,但与肝损害的迹象。
在分娩过程中当我们出生感染乙肝,母亲,除非我们在出生90%的美国正在接种感染因接触感染的血液和体液。当婴儿被感染,其免疫系统不成熟不识别该病毒。年轻的免疫系统错过这个乙肝病毒“红旗”标志和“容忍”攻击它的感染吧。
与此相反,当我们感染如健康成人,我们的免疫系统立即检测和识别乙肝作为病毒入侵者和积极攻击病毒和任何感染的肝细胞。在成人中,它通常需要长达六个月的免疫系统消灭病毒。当我们正在感染儿童,它可能需要长达三个甚至四十年来为我们的免疫系统,以发现病毒并转移到“免疫激活”战斗模式。
直到免疫系统发现的病毒,并开始对抗感染,儿童和年轻人留在了“免疫耐受”阶段,天高病毒载量可达到1十亿每毫升国际单位(IU /毫升)。未支配的一种免疫系统,这是在犯罪,病毒劫持肝细胞中复制,并生产出更多的病毒。
因为免疫系统不攻击并破坏感染的肝细胞,肝功能检测(ALT或SGPT)结果显示没有损坏迹象和通常保持在正常范围内(30以下的男性和19或更小的女性)。而直到我们的免疫系统唤醒并启动它的攻击,医生说没有任何理由要尽量降低病毒载量在这些年轻的成年人,因为即使抗病毒药物降低病毒载量,免疫系统保持休眠状态,不继续进攻。
专家们最近重新审查该放手的方法是否仍然有效,并审查了十几个研究,检验抗病毒治疗是否受益免疫耐受的成年人。
在2015年11月AASLD肝病会议上,研究人员报告,“没有研究表明抗病毒治疗,有利于减少与免疫耐受的慢性乙型肝炎的人肝癌,肝硬化和肝相关死亡率”
随着他们的指令,“先不伤害”,专家建议,“由于缺乏好处的证据对那些与(高病毒载量和ALT水平正常),有限(或更长)的抗病毒治疗的潜在危害,包括成本,抗病毒药物的副作用,和电阻的发展,弊大于利“。
让我们来探讨他们的理由:抗病毒药物的工作只只要你带他们。一旦由于肝损伤开始,患者可以在他们多年,并且当患者熄灭抗病毒剂,它们往往会遇到一个“火炬”与突然增加病毒载量和ALT水平这可能是危险的。领先的抗病毒药物,包括替诺福韦(Viread的)和恩替卡韦(博路定),并不便宜,尤其是替诺福韦这是尚未在一个通用的公式。和抗病毒剂有副作用,其可以包括骨损失,对肾功能的影响,以及显影耐药的风险。
所以,如果治疗不会产生良好的效果,为什么通过成本和医疗风险把年轻人?事实上,专家们甚至不把谁拥有家庭成员与乙肝相关的肝癌免疫耐受的患者。
专家们做了明确,所有的免疫耐受患者应该有自己的ALT水平和病毒载量检查至少每六个月,以便医生能够监测其感染。
不过,这是具有挑战性的听到,当我们患有乙肝或者最近刚刚被诊断为慢性感染。我们要做些什么来对抗感染。但是,如果没有一个活跃的免疫系统,在我们对乙肝斗争的战略合作伙伴,我们必须要有耐心,放手一速战速决的希望,就像我们都希望有一个神奇的药丸治好我们的感染。
因此,在此期间,直到我们的免疫系统唤醒,并开始战斗在我们的身体中的病毒,我们做什么,我们就可以保护我们的健康,包括健康饮食,避免酒精和香烟,并得到监控每半年一次。它可能不会觉得这是不够的,但现在这一切都可以做。

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是STEPHENW先生,您自己写的此
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要是别的美国一个普通医生写的以上内容,那就可以认为:美国的乙肝抗病毒治疗研究已经落后于中国。因为,以上评论提到的中心内容,是在15年之前,即20世纪末,即形成的理论。
这15年来,随着抗病毒临床的大量结论显示:对以前所谓的“乙肝携带者”,通过抗病毒药的介入,可以降低肝癌和肝硬化发生风险。

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是STEPHENW先生,您自己写的此
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不是, HBF(B型肝炎基金会)的博客写的.

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要是别的美国一个普通医生写的以上内容,那就可以认为:美国的乙肝抗病毒治疗研究已经落后于中国。 ...

我想听听你的理由.

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At the November 2015 AASLD Liver Conference, researchers reported, “There are no studies demonstrating that antiviral therapy is beneficial in reducing rates of liver cancer, cirrhosis, and liver-related death in persons with immune-tolerant chronic hepatitis B.”

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此结论不对。实际情况与此相反。

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说此话的Researcher,应该还没有做过抗病毒临床统计。

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发表于 2016-1-25 21:29 |只看该作者
中国人现在已经在大量临床抗病毒病例中,得出结论:抗病毒对所有乙肝携带者都受益。
以上的内容,正如此论坛中,一个普通的帖子,个人观点而已。
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