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箭头的520两个trigger全在cccDNA,521两个trigger一个在cccDNA一个在integrated DNA。


是不是ARC520的trigger 设计不好(badly designed)或不当(inadequately designed)?

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TKM的是合作用ntegrated DNA?持高度怀疑
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楼主科普下:古巴药什么原理希望及看点?
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我看到的资料的数据都是核苷类抗病毒后,患癌症概率大幅减小,如果你只是从论坛、QQ群听到的,那我觉得可能不准确吧,毕竟在国内,开始抗病毒的时候往往都比较晚了,那些得癌症的,很可能抗病毒了,得癌症概率也只是稍微降低点,抗病毒后该得癌症还是得癌症了,没有统计就没有意义了
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Update on the safety and efficacy of REP 2139 monotherapy
and subsequent combination therapy with
pegylated interferon alpha-2a in chronic HBV / HDV
co-infection in Caucasian patients
Michel Bazinet1, Victor Pantea2, Valentin Cebotarescu2, Lilia
Cojuhari3, Paulina Jimbei3, Jeffrey Albrecht4, Peter Schmid4, Hadi
Karimzadeh5, Michael Roggendorf5, Andrew Vaillant1; 1Replicor
Inc., Montreal, QC, Canada; 2N. Testemitanu State University of
Medicine and Pharmacy, Chisinau, Moldova (the Republic of);
3Toma Ciorba Infectious Clinical Hospital, Chisinau, Moldova
(the Republic of); 4National Genetics Institute, Los Angeles, CA;
5Institure of Virololgy, Technische Universität München, Munich,
Germany
Introduction: HBV / HDV co-infection causes rapid progression
of liver disease and with no approved therapy, presents a
significant unmet medical need. Nucleic acid polymers (NAPs)
block HBV subviral particle assembly and release from infected
hepatocytes and can eliminate serum HBsAg. As the NAP REP
2139 was previously been shown to clear serum HBsAg and
improve the ability of immunotherapy to elicit SVR in Asian
patients with HBV, its activity in combination with Pegasys® in
HBV / HDV co-infected Caucasian patients is currently being
examined. Methods: In a phase II proof of concept trial (REP
301; NCT02233075), patients with chronic HBV / HDV co-infection
received once weekly dosing of 500mg REP 2139-Ca
(calcium chelate complex) by 2h IV infusion for 15 weeks,
followed by 15 weeks of combined therapy with 250mg REP
2139-Ca and 180ug Pegasys® and then 33 weeks with
Pegasys® monotherapy. Viremia (HDV RNA and HBV DNA),
HBsAg and anti-HBs are followed every two weeks (Robogene
RT-PCR, Abbott RealTime HBV, Abbott Architect) performed at
the Institute of Virology, University of Duisburg-Essen (Essen,
Germany). HDV RNA is validated on separate test platforms
at the National Genetics Institute (Los Angeles, USA) and the
Institute of Virology, Technische Universität München (Munich,
Germany). Results: REP 2139-Ca treatment is well tolerated
with mild and quickly resolving IV infusion reactions. Serum
HBsAg is currently reduced 1-6 log in 11/12 patients (5 with
serum HBsAg < 1 IU / ml) and HDV RNA is currently reduced
1.5-7 log in 12 /12 patients (undetectable in 6 patients). Anti-
HBs is detected in 10/12 patients, with 6 patients < 10mIU /
ml and after combined exposure to Pegasys®, 5 patients have
substantially increased anti-HBs titers from 50 to > 800 mIU /
ml. In all patients with pre-treatment HBV DNA < 10 IU / ml,
de-repression of serum HBV DNA is observed. Conclusions:
Updated interim data from the REP 301 protocol assessing the
safety and antiviral efficacy of REP 2139 (first in monotherapy
and then with add on Pegasys® at week 16) in 12 Caucasian
patients with chronic HBV / HDV co-infection demonstrated
substantial reductions in serum HBsAg and HDV RNA as well
as appearance of anti-HBs. HDV RNA reductions appear stronger
than HBsAg reductions, suggesting an additional antiviral
mechanism other than the inhibition of subviral particle assembly
may affect HDV directly. REP 2139-Ca may become an
important new therapeutic option for patients with chronic HBV
/ HDV infection.
Disclosures:
Michel Bazinet - Board Membership: REPLICor Inc.; Employment: REPLICor Inc.;
Management Position: REPLICor Inc.; Patent Held/Filed: REPLICor Inc.; Stock
Shareholder: REPLICor Inc.
Andrew Vaillant - Employment: REPLICor; Stock Shareholder: REPLICor
The following authors have nothing to disclose: Victor Pantea, Valentin
Cebotarescu, Lilia Cojuhari, Paulina Jimbei, Jeffrey Albrecht, Peter Schmid, Hadi
Karimzadeh, Michael Roggendorf
楼主科普下这药靠谱吗
建议有实力的众筹基金会,十亿元级以上,真劝慰雷军、地产商、首富、百度,强生战略入股,全球重金悬赏求拜攻克乙肝的美国古巴专家英才及技术!!齐参与、正能量,或许好药就在转角间被发现,如果没有?就用真实去验证及考证中草药民间名医,延长寿命
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我看到的资料的数据都是核苷类抗病毒后,患癌症概率大幅减小,如果你只是从论坛、QQ ...

disan说得对,我确实没有好好看过他翻译的文章,最近比较忙!
这个问题对我们是非常重要的!但对药品生产商,医生,医院来说,就不仅仅是不重要了!!
现在没有人做这方面的研究!没有这方面的,认真的研究结果!
我们病人当然没有办法了!
没有人做这方面的研究,已经很说明问题了!其次,这些药使用的时间也太短了!
我们现在没有办法!但也没有必要采取回避的态度!

很无奈!希望尽快解决3个问题!

癌症的治疗方法!
肝硬化的治疗方法!
传染病的治疗方法!

我个人认为现在有些没有疾病的人,在某种意义上说,精神有问题!
看看这个世界的钱都花在什么地方了!

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首页再次更新。

介绍药物作用机理。

还有Replicor和RNAi作用机理不同。最右下脚NAP就是Replicor。它属于阻止sAg的释放;而RNAi则是抑制sAg/eAg...的生产。

用英文表达:Replicor inhibit HBsAG release; RNAi inhibit protein translation.

从HBV生命周期角度来看,RNAi作用在NUC和Replicor之前.

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箭头的520两个trigger全在cccDNA,521两个trigger一个在cccDNA一个在integrated DNA。

是不是ARC520的trigger 设计不好(badly designed)或不当(inadequately designed)?


我不觉得这是因为设计错误。更应该是冗余。只要没有毒副作用,输送多点药物总是没错的。再说2个对应不同的靶点,多一个靶点就多些coverage, 大家都知道HBV有好几个基因TYPE.

另外,黑星星由于基因和人不同,本来在黑星星上就会miss掉一个trigger。

如果说多trigger是设计问题,那TKM-HBV上3个trigger怎么解释?

至于为什么520只针对cccDNA,在这之前所有的人都在说cccDNA难以消除,这就是为什么研究针对cccDNA的抑制。直到9月24的发布, 告诉你integrated DNA也在生产HBsAG

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disan说得对,我确实没有好好看过他翻译的文章,最近比较忙!
这个问题对我们是非常重要的!但对药品生产 ...

非常理解你的感受。不是针对你个人。

在这个信息爆油炸和知识碎片的时代,希望大家都能静下心来多学习。而不是看到一句话就HIGH了,好像"又找到新希望了",或者"TMD以前被骗了"。

只能提高自己来面对这个信息爆油炸和知识碎片的时代。。。

这也是我觉得这个所谓的"学术版",它不是个好地方。

且不说它到底有没有所谓的学术性,来这里的HBVer都是盼望特效药,可是没有特效药,徒增烦恼而已。

退一步讲,在研的药物就算是特效药,都要很长时间才可能上市。


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Arrowhead to Present at Upcoming Conferences

PASADENA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Arrowhead Research Corporation (NASDAQ: ARWR), a biopharmaceutical company developing targeted RNAi therapeutics, today announced that the company will present at the following upcoming conferences.

Partnerships in Drug Delivery - Boston, October 5-6, 2015

October 6, 2:45 p.m. EDT - David Rozema, Ph.D., vice president, chemistry will participate in a panel discussion titled, "Can RNA-based therapeutics really deliver?"

2015 International Meeting on Molecular Biology of Hepatitis B - Dolce Bad Nauheim, Germany, October 4-8, 2015

October 7, 5:00-7:00 p.m. CET - Christine Wooddell, Ph.D., group leader will deliver a poster presentation titled, "Integrated HBV DNA significantly contributes to serum HBsAg levels in chronically infected chimpanzees"

11th Annual Meeting of the Oligonucleotide Therapeutics Society - Leiden, the Netherlands, October 11-14, 2015

October 14, 3:30 p.m. CET - Bruce Given, M.D., chief operating officer will deliver an oral presentation titled, "Development of RNAi-based therapeutics using DPC™ technology"

The Liver Meeting 2015®, 66th Annual Meeting of the American Association for the Study of Liver Disease (AASLD) - San Francisco, November 13-17, 2015

November 15, 3:15 p.m. PST - Christine Wooddell, Ph.D., group leader will deliver an oral presentation titled, "Reductions in cccDNA under NUC and ARC-520 therapy in chimpanzees with chronic hepatitis B virus infection implicate integrated DNA in maintaining circulating HBsAg"

November 17, 8:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. PST - Christine Wooddell, Ph.D., group leader will deliver a poster presentation titled, "Monthly dosing of ARC-520 in chronically hepatitis B virus infected chimpanzees produces rapid, deep and durable reductions in circulating viral antigens"

A copy of presentation materials, if available, can be accessed by visiting the Events section of the company's website at http://ir.arrowheadresearch.com/events.cfm after the presentations conclude.
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