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The abstract is much the same as that published at AASLD(?), but being a full paper, it has more details. So studyforhope may have a look at it and give us his expert comments. As we knew, the results were not as impressive as those reported for the chimps by Lanford. However, I noticed that the human doses were up to 4 mg, but for the chimps, they were up to 2mg/kg. So I would think the dosages used on humans were very conservative.

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For humans 4mg per person, not per kg ? so it's 20 times less than for chimp

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抽象是大致相同,在AASLD(?)出版的,但作为一个完整的纸,它有更多的细节。所以studyforhope可以看一下它,并给我们自己的专家意见。因为我们知道,结果并没有令人印象深刻的报道对黑猩猩通过兰福德。不过,我注意到,人类剂量分别达到4毫克,但对于黑猩猩,它们分别达2毫克/公斤。所以,我觉得对人类使用的剂量是非常保守的。

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对于人类每人4毫克,不是每公斤?所以它比黑猩猩少20倍

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Yes, they might just cover the preclinical research, in their hydrodynamic mouse model. But the announcement was written in a way that it claims that it works in the human system. Since by now they will have at least a few patients beyond the four weekly doses and the effect on hbsag should be quite  immediate, they certainly must have human data by now. He might just present these in a last slide - or not.
Would it be able that you ask them more specifically if some preliminary data on the ongoing trial will be part of the discussion?

At any rate, thank you for the effort you already made.

The fundamental difference between all the inhibitory drugs to block the HBV system, which do not destroy the source but just limit the virion or accessory protein output while they are dosed and this approach is that it aims to eliminate the source of the infection itself cccDNA or integrated.

The mechanism operative is hoped to be that a not so effective immune signal tries to initiate apoptoses in infected cells. This is a scenario that we expect in chronic HBV, particularly in e negative, because the key cd8 epitopes are adapted and mutated, so the attack CTLs are too weak to push the cell into apoptosis with the signals provided.

However a key mechanism by which the cell avoids apoptosis under stress is the production of anti apoptotic proteins, that block milder apoptotic signaling. By introducing the SMAC/DIABLO mimetic birinapant, these antiapoptotic protectors are themselves inactivated, so now apoptosis happens.

The drug has been used in several human cancer trials, side effects seem to be very mild, the worst being Bells Palsy, reversible.

The mouse data are stunning, hbsag was lost in 4 weeks. But of course the model has its limits and the human situation can be quite different.

the biggest fear was or is that the effect is too strong and if a large percentage of liver cells are infected, acute fulminant hepatitis could result.
The plan apparently is to start with patients on antivirals which are UND and also to use a very small starting dose.

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是的,他们可能只是覆盖了临床前研究,在他们的水动力小鼠模型。但公告写的,因为它声称,它的工作原理,在人体系统的方式。因为现在他们将有至少几个患者超出四次每周剂量和对HBsAg的影响应该是相当直接的,他们当然必须由现在具有人的数据。他可能只是目前这些在最后一张幻灯片 - 与否。
难道能说你问他们更具体地说,如果对正在进行的审判一些初步的数据将是讨论的一部分?

无论如何,感谢你为你已经取得的努力。

所有的抑制药之间的根本区别阻止的乙肝病毒系统,它不破坏源而只是限制病毒体或辅助蛋白的输出,同时它们被给药而这种方法是,它的目的是消除对感染源本身cccDNA的或集成。

该机制手术是希望成为一个不那么有效的免疫信号,尝试启动apoptoses在感染的细胞。这是我们期望在慢​​性乙型肝炎,尤其在电子负,因为关键CD8表位被适配和突变的情形,所以攻击的CTL太弱到细胞推入凋亡与所提供的信号。

然而,通过该单元避免在应力下的细胞凋亡的关键机制是生产抗凋亡蛋白,阻断温和凋亡信号的。通过引入SMAC / DIABLO模拟birinapant,这些抗凋亡保护本身灭活,所以现在凋亡发生。

该药物已在几种人癌症临床试验已经使用,副作用似乎是非常温和的,最坏的是贝尔麻痹,可逆的。

鼠标的数据是惊人的,乙肝表面抗原消失在4周。当然,但该模型也有其局限性和人类状况可以是相当不同的。

最大的恐惧是或者是效果太强,如果肝细胞的很大比例被感染,急性重型肝炎会导致。
该计划显然是先从患者抗病毒药这是UND,也使用了非常小的起始剂量。

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关注:    鼠的数据是惊人的,乙肝表面抗原消失在4周。当然,但该模型也有其局限性和人类状况可以是相当不同的。

最大的恐惧是或者是效果太强,如果肝细胞的很大比例被感染,急性重型肝炎会导致。
该计划显然是先从患者抗病毒药这是UND,也使用了非常小的起始剂量

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发表于 2015-3-14 21:54 |只看该作者
和我担心的一样会爆肝。
但是,我是个外行,连我都想得到的问题,我认为专家会很好的解决,毕竟这是可预见问题,不会没有预安的,很期待,希望有好结果。
甚至说,我不期待4周就清除HBV,几个月清除HBV都是完全可以接受的。

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本帖最后由 战天斗hbv 于 2015-3-14 21:55 编辑

召唤HBVCURER来讨论一下。此贴必火,两个大家都很关心的药物,ncb好样的!感谢!

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