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这就是事实,苍白的很!

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早点面对负面信息,敢于面对,药企研发速度才可能会加速,人人都乐观等待,潜水不语,估计时间更久!科学家听到这些信息、反而是研发新药的动力,药企攒钱的巨大动力!!复旦大学郭教授为一线专家!感谢讲话
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乙肝的情况比较复杂,十年前与今天的医疗环境都是天壤之别,个人认为统计那么长时间其实没有意义,最简单的例子,今天刚开始抗病毒的、5年前开始的和十年前的在hcc的发生概率没什么可比性吧!

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如果按照他的数据,肝硬化15年后全部也死光??也就是说其他论文,NT和TDF降低HCC的都是胡说咯?

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本帖最后由 StephenW 于 2015-11-22 18:33 编辑
zgct 发表于 2015-11-21 07:01
  第二,另外一个值得注意的是,在通过抗病毒治疗达到了病毒持续抑制的170例患者中,有60多例仍然会发生 ...

AASLD 131

Even after achieving viral suppression, 36.5% (62/170) of cirrhotic patients with CHB still developed HCC.
即使实现病毒抑制肝硬化患者,36.5%(62/170)慢性乙型肝炎患者仍然发生HCC。

A Study for the Risk Factors of Hepatocellular Carcinoma in Cirrhotic Patients with Chronic Hepatitis B
Yuanqing Zhang1, Lijun Peng1,2, Yirong Cao1, Zhiping Zeng1, Yujing Wu1, Hong Shi1, Shiyao Chen1, Jiyao Wang1, Scott L. Friedman1,3, John J. Sninsky1,4, Jinsheng Guo1;
1Division of Digestive Diseases, Zhong Shan Hospital, Fu Dan University, Shanghai,
China;
2Department of Gastroenterology, Linyi People’s Hospital,
Linyi, China;
3Division of Liver Diseases,, Mount Sinai Hospital, Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York, NY;
4Celera/Quest Diagnostics, Alameda, CA
Background and Aims:
Chronic hepatitis B virus infection and
cirrhosis are important risk factors for hepatocellular carcinoma
(HCC), however the HCC risk can vary widely among individuals. The aim of this study was to identify the clinical factors
and host genetic single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) that
are associated with HCC risk in cirrhotic patients with CHB.
Methods:
Data from 949 Chinese Han patients with chronic
HBV infection were analyzed by single and multivariate logistic
regression analysis in cirrhotic patients without (n = 281) and
with HCC (n = 434) to identify the clinical factors associated
with HCC risk. In a parallel study, DNA was extracted from
879 chronic HBV patients including non-cirrhotic HBV carriers
and CHB patients (n = 234), cirrhotic patients without (n =
257) and with HCC (n = 388) for genotyping of ten candidate SNPs using polymerase chain reaction-ligase detection
reaction method. The correlations between the candidate SNPs
and HCC risk were analyzed by chi-square test followed by
logistic regression analysis.
Results:
1. Ineffective antiviral treatment (OR=5.2), fatty liver (OR=3.4), family history of HCC
(OR=2.3), drinking history (OR=2.2), and age>=50 (OR=1.8)
were independent risk factors for HCC in cirrhotic patients with
CHB. Longer HBV infection increased the HCC risk whereas
sustained virologic suppression significantly lowered HCC
risk compared to those without enough response or untreated
patients, especially in patients with decompensated cirrhosis.
Even after achieving viral suppression, 36.5% (62/170) of cirrhotic patients with CHB still developed HCC. Fatty liver, family history of HCC and HBV infection were significantly associated
with the HCC development in these patients.
2. After adjusted
for influencing factors, TLR4 rs11536889 was found to be a
protective factor (OR for CC vs. GG+GC or GG =0.4 and
0.6, respectively) whereas SPP1 rs2853744 (OR for TT
vs. GG and GT+TT vs. GG =1.9 and 3.1, respectively) and AP3S2
rs2290351 (OR for GA+AA or GA vs. GG =2.5 and 2.9, respectively) were risk factors of HCC in cirrhotic patients with CHB. In cirrhotic patients with CHB and drinking history, MLEC
rs7976497 (OR for TT vs. CC=2.8, CT+TT vs. CC=3.6) and SOCS3 rs4969168 (OR for GG
vs. AA=2.4) were found to be risk factors of HCC.
Conclusion:
Ineffective antiviral treatment, fatty liver, family history of HCC, drinking history and age
≥50 are risk factors for HCC. Sustained suppression of HBV does
not remove the risk of HCC. Specific host genetic factors may
impact on HCC development in cirrhotic patients with CHB
including a protective SNP in TLR4, and risk SNPs in SPP1,
AP3S2, MLEC, and SOCS3.
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乙肝的情况比较复杂,十年前与今天的医疗环境都是天壤之别,个人认为统计那么长时间其实没有意义,最简单的 ...

用什么药,开始抗病毒时的肝脏生理病理状态,治疗后的应答情况,个人生活习惯包括是否坚持服药,年龄,家族史,等等等等,以及你提到的医疗条件生活条件,都是很重要的因素。毫无疑问的是,现在HCC的诊断成功率越来越高,发病率越来越低,治疗成功率也越来越高,所以对于普通慢肝患者,做好预防,积极治疗,没什么可怕的。用卫生部发言人最喜欢用的话说,可防,可控,可治。

对于已经有肝硬化尤其是重症肝硬化指征的乙肝患者,形势就相对严峻一些了。抗病毒治疗降低HCC发病率,对于肝硬化患者,虽有显著下降,但下降程度明显低于无肝硬化的患者。这部分患者,尤其是上了年纪的,在接受抗病毒治疗的同时,必须要密切随访监测HCC的发生。

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sw大神,为什么文中没说抗病毒用的何种药?60人hcc是多久时间发生?

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sw大神,为什么文中没说抗病毒用的何种药?60人hcc是多久时间发生?

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我经治的干扰素有效患者中没有发生过肝癌(但个人经验有局限性)。过去只有中低档核苷类药年代,我门诊每年约看300位肝硬化患者,其中约有10位发生小肝癌,超过10年我已知的只有个位数的人再发(不是原位复发)。近3年普遍换用一线核苷类药,许多肝硬化患者选择替诺福韦,3年中只有3位发生小肝癌。


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为什么文中没说抗病毒用的何种药?60人hcc是多久时间发生?一线专家,搞科研,不能不谈呀。
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