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"你是一个外国朋友吗?我也感觉你的表达习惯与我们有些不同。"

中国的中药学是古代传下来的,那时没有现代仪器,研究者是靠多年(多次)的人体实验。中国最大的药学家是明代的李时珍。

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"耐受的慢乙通过核甘把病毒复制长时间的压制低水平,一旦撤除,病毒就会短时间大量的反弹复制,感染大量的肝细胞,这个变化大大超过核甘期间病毒复制和机体形成的平衡,相当于一次成人急性感染,引发了免疫识别,当机体免疫力(特异免疫)水平足够时,自愈;当机体免疫力不够时发生重肝或者迁延性肝炎(被迫长期抗病毒);个人看法,可能有错!"

非常抱歉,我不同意 (我也可以是错误的).

相当于一次成人急性感染 - 急性感染是很危险的!可导致肝功能衰竭. 很长时间乙型肝炎患者都有肝脏受损必须非常小心,不喝酒,不抽烟, 不要过于紧张压力.

引发了免疫识别 - 我完全不同意. 我们的免疫系统已经认识到乙肝病毒, 但太多的病毒,我们的免疫系统无法赢得胜利. 最重要的:乙肝病毒间接限制我们的免疫系统. 因此,用我们自身的免疫系统治疗,依赖 低 DNA.

特异免疫 - 这个概念,我不知道或理解.

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"耐受的慢乙通过核甘把病毒复制长时间的压制低水平,一旦撤除,病毒就会短时间大量的反 ...


学习,慢乙病毒太多,对免疫压制,免疫识别和免疫攻击力都会大受影响。

1.大三阳肝功能正常携带,50-55%,这部分人相对安全,但仅仅是相对,自然转阴时限超长和自然转移率超小。
2.大三阳肝功能异常肝炎,15%,这部分人很不安全,不给予治疗任其发展,硬化率癌变率逐年递增,10年死亡20-25%,20年后剩不下几个人。
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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trametes_versicolorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trametes_versicolor]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trametes_versicolorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trametes_versicolor[/url]

Trametes versicolor — formerly known as Coriolus versicolor and Polyporus versicolor[citation needed] — is an extremely common polypore mushroom which can be found throughout the world. Versicolor means 'of several colours' and it is true that this mushroom is found in a wide variety of different colours. T. versicolor is commonly called Turkey Tail because of its resemblance to the tail of the wild turkey. T. versicolor is recognized as a medicinal mushroom in Chinese medicine under the name yun zhi (simplified Chinese: 云芝, traditional Chinese: 雲芝). In China and Japan T. versicolor is used as in immunoadjuvant therapy for cancer.[1]
http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/DietandNutrition/coriolus-versicolor
Coriolus VersicolorOther common name(s): "Turkey Tail" mushroom, Yun zhi, polysaccharide K (PSK), polysaccharide-peptide (PSP), versicolor polysaccharide (VPS)
Scientific/medical name(s): Coriolus versicolor, Trametes versicolor
DescriptionCoriolus versicolor is a mushroom used in traditional Asian herbal remedies (see Chinese Herbal Medicine).Two substances extracted from the mushroom, polysaccharide K (PSK) andpolysaccharide-peptide (PSP), are being studied as possiblecomplementary cancer treatments. Verisicolor polysaccharid (VPS),another extract from the mushroom that is sold as a dietary supplementin the United States, is also being studied. A polysaccharide is acarbohydrate formed by a large number of sugar molecules.
OverviewAvailable scientific evidence does not support claims that the rawmushroom itself is an effective anti-cancer agent in humans. But thereis some scientific evidence that substances derived from parts of themushroom may be useful against cancer. Clinical trials suggest that PSKmay help people with certain types of cancer by increasing survivalrates and lengthening periods of time without disease, without causingmajor side effects. PSK is commonly used with other cancer treatmentsin Japan. PSP and VPS have not been studied as thoroughly.
How is it promoted for use?Herbalists claim Coriolus versicolor and its extracts are usefulagainst a number of conditions, including cancer and certaininfections. PSK, one of the substances that can be extracted fromCoriolus versicolor, is believed to be a strong anti-oxidant, acompound that blocks the action of free radicals, activated oxygenmolecules that can damage cells.
What does it involve?Coriolus versicolor can be taken as a capsule, as an extract, or asa tea. The doses usually range from 1 to 9 grams per day, depending onthe patient's condition. Coriolus versicolor can be obtained in herbalmedicine shops, health food stores, and on the Internet. A variety ofextracts of the mushroom, including PSP and VPS, are also sold asdietary supplements in the United States.
What is the history behind it?Coriolus versicolor has been a component of traditional Asianmedicine for centuries. In the 1980s, the Japanese government approvedthe use of PSK for treating several types of cancer. In Japan, PSK is abest-selling anti-cancer drug where it is currently used as a cancertreatment along with surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation therapy. PSPwas discovered more recently and has been studied mainly in China.
What is the evidence?We are unable to find reports of controlled clinical trials with theCoriolus versicolor mushroom itself that have been published in theavailable peer-reviewed journals. However, there have been many studieslooking at the usefulness of the extract PSK.
Researchers have found that PSK, one of the substances that can be extracted from Coriolus versicolor,has several anti-cancer properties. In some animal studies, it slowsthe spread of cancer cells. PSK also appears to have some immunesystem–boosting properties in people undergoing chemotherapy and maylessen some side effects of chemotherapy and radiation therapy. PSK isalso believed to be a strong anti-oxidant, a compound that blocks theaction of free radicals, activated oxygen molecules that can damagecells.
More than 2 dozen human studies of PSK have been reviewed by expertsat the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center. Almost all ofthese studies were done in Japan and focused on cancer of theesophagus, stomach, colon, or breast. Most of them found that peoplewith cancer were helped by PSK. People who received PSK with othertreatments, such as surgery, chemotherapy, or radiation therapy,generally had longer periods of time without disease and had increasedsurvival rates compared with patients who received only standardtreatment. Side effects from PSK in these studies were very mild.Smaller studies have suggested PSK may not be as effective againstliver cancer or leukemia.
The effects of PSP are less well known. While some early Chinesestudies of PSP have reportedly shown it may help protect the immunesystem from the effects of cancer treatment, most studies published inmedical journals thus far have been in cell cultures or animals. Thesetypes of studies can suggest possible helpful effects, but they do notprovide proof that such effects can be achieved in humans. Studies inanimals have suggested that PSP may slow the growth of lung cancer andsarcoma, and may help make radiation therapy more effective in treatingcertain brain tumors. One small study in humans found that lung cancerpatients taking PSP seemed to maintain their health longer than thosewho did not take PSP, although they did not get better and did notreport improvement in cancer-related symptoms. Larger human studieswill be needed determine whether PSP can be helpful for people.
A 2005 study using mice treated with a chemical that causes coloncancer did not find any reduction in colon tumors in mice also givenVPS. A 2006 study found that VPS may have actually increased the numberof large colon tumors in mice.
Are there any possible problems or complications?Thisproduct is sold as a dietary supplement in the United States. Unlikedrugs (which must be tested before being allowed to be sold), thecompanies that make supplements are not required to prove to the Foodand Drug Administration that their supplements are safe or effective,as long as they don't claim the supplements can prevent, treat, or cureany specific disease.
Some suchproducts may not contain the amount of the herb or substance that iswritten on the label, and some may include other substances(contaminants). Actual amounts per dose may vary between brands or evenbetween different batches of the same brand.
Mostsuch supplements have not been tested to find out if they interact withmedicines, foods, or other herbs and supplements. Even though somereports of interactions and harmful effects may be published, fullstudies of interactions and effects are not often available. Because ofthese limitations, any information on ill effects and interactionsbelow should be considered incomplete.
No serious risks have been linked with the use of Coriolusversicolor or products derived from this mushroom. Rarely, side effectsinclude nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, and diarrhea. Even lesscommon are darkening of the fingernails and low blood cell counts.
Relying on this type of treatment alone and avoiding or delayingconventional medical care for cancer, may have serious healthconsequences.
Additional resources More information from your American Cancer Society The following information on complementary and alternative therapiesmay also be helpful to you. These materials may be found on our Website (www.cancer.org) or ordered from our toll-free number (1-800-ACS-2345).
Guidelines for Using Complementary and Alternative Therapies
Dietary Supplements: How to Know What Is Safe
The ACS Operational Statement on Complementary and Alternative Methods of Cancer Management
Complementary and Alternative Methods for Cancer Management
Placebo Effect
Learning About New Ways to Treat Cancer
Learning About New Ways to Prevent Cancer
ReferencesColes M. Toth B. Lack of prevention of large intestinal cancer by VPS, an extract of Coriolus versicolor mushroom. In Vivo. 2005; 19:867-871.
Fisher M, Yang LX. Anticancer effects and mechanisms of polysaccharide-K (PSK): Implications of cancer immunotherapy. Anticancer Res. 2002;22:1737-1754.
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. About herbs: Coriolusversicolor. Accessed at: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69194.cfm onJune 10, 2008.
Nakazato H, Koike A, Saji S, Ogawa N, Sakamoto J. Efficacy ofimmunochemotherapy as adjuvant treatment after curative resection ofgastric cancer. Study group of immunochemotherapy with PSK for gastriccancer. Lancet. 1994;343:1122-1126.
Ng TB. A review of research on the protein-bound polysaccharide(polysaccharopeptide, PSP) from the mushroom Coriolus versicolor(Basidomycetes: polyporacae). Gen Pharmac. 1998;30:1-4.
Torisu M, Hayashi Y, Ishimitsu T, et al. Significant prolongation ofdisease-free period gained by oral polysaccharide K (PSK)administration after curative surgical operation of colorectal cancer. Cancer. 1990;31:261-268.
Toth B, Coles M, Lynch J. Effects of VPS extract of Coriolusversicolor on cancer of the large intestine using a serial sacrificetechnique. In Vivo. 2006;20:341-346.
Tsang KW, Lam CL, Yan C, Mak JC, Ooi GC, Ho JC, et al. Coriolusversicolor polysaccharide peptide slows progression of advancednon-small cell lung cancer. Respir Med. 2003;97:618-624.
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center. Coriolus versicoloretailed scientific review. Accessed at:www.mdanderson.org/departments/C ... 0508B603A14&method=displayFull&pn=6EB86A59-EBD9-11D4-810100508B603A14on June 10, 2008.
Note: This information may not cover all possible claims,uses, actions, precautions, side effects or interactions. It is notintended as medical advice, and should not be relied upon as asubstitute for consultation with your doctor, who is familiar with yourmedical situation.

                                               
                       
                     
                         
                           
                                                                   
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谢谢你的回复!!!可惜我不懂英文

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"站在医学巨人的肩膀上思考有时也会出错,不仅可能错在自己,更可能巨人说错话了,举例:骆抗先说慢乙年龄越大耐受程度往往越低,越能自愈。错了,这句话就有问题。"

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慢乙病毒太多,对免疫压制,免疫识别和免疫攻击力都会大受影响。

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这句话是我亲身体验换来的,免疫识别被唤醒有用吗?在数量强大的病毒面前根本就没用,多半还是会被病毒给压制下去的。
1.大三阳肝功能正常携带,50-55%,这部分人相对安全,但仅仅是相对,自然转阴时限超长和自然转移率超小。
2.大三阳肝功能异常肝炎,15%,这部分人很不安全,不给予治疗任其发展,硬化率癌变率逐年递增,10年死亡20-25%,20年后剩不下几个人。
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"站在医学巨人的肩膀上思考有时也会出错,不仅可能错在自己,更可能巨人说错话了,举 ...

1.大三阳肝功能正常携带,50-55%,这部分人相对安全,但仅仅是相对,自然转阴时限超长和自然转移率超小。
2.大三阳肝功能异常肝炎,15%,这部分人很不安全,不给予治疗任其发展,硬化率癌变率逐年递增,10年死亡20-25%,20年后剩不下几个人。
3.小三阳肝功能正常携带,30%,这部分安全程度高于大三阳携带,转阴率在这部分人

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神马都是浮云!近期的查血结果:肝功能谷丙谷草总胆继续下降,但是白蛋白下降而球蛋白上升(很自然的在气温由低向高变化的这几天感冒了),二对半又大幅回升,dna也回升了;病毒赢了,自愈的希望大幅下降,接下来准备上阿德+拉米,再找个合适的机会每月打乙肝疫苗局部刺激和提高机体对乙肝病毒的免疫力。
小结:虽然停阿德没有自愈,但也没发生重肝,还知道了免疫识别的通道能被停阿德后dna的突然变化而打开,也能被数量众多的cccdna继续大量复制后压制致重新慢慢关闭,对病毒的免疫力被慢慢降低了。对策:上核甘抑制病毒的复制,然后用疫苗慢慢局部刺激免疫系统传导至肝脏扩大免疫识别的通道,以便能用温和得免疫调节来增加对病毒的免疫力。

人都会生老病死,胜败乃兵家常事,顺其自然,把和乙肝病毒之间长期的斗争看成人生的一大乐趣!哈哈哈!
1.大三阳肝功能正常携带,50-55%,这部分人相对安全,但仅仅是相对,自然转阴时限超长和自然转移率超小。
2.大三阳肝功能异常肝炎,15%,这部分人很不安全,不给予治疗任其发展,硬化率癌变率逐年递增,10年死亡20-25%,20年后剩不下几个人。
3.小三阳肝功能正常携带,30%,这部分安全程度高于大三阳携带,转阴率在这部分人
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