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发表于 2011-7-18 16:26 |只看该作者
希望在近几年,走出几条不同于抗病毒的路。

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本帖最后由 bond007 于 2011-7-20 12:29 编辑

转自LIVER411以前的帖子,貌似对REP9AC有点不利啊。
国外乙肝论坛知情人士谈REP 9AC的严重问题:

Subject: Re: [HB] Rep 9Ac

Ok, this will be my last debbie downer report today from the AASLD  

Poster 482: REP 9AC

This poster was presented on Saturday, and it sure attracted a large crowd,
since it was the ONLY presentation at the entire conference that discussed a
new experimental HBV treatment. THE ONLY ONE. As such, I'm very  hesitant
about questioning its validity, but...

There are serious problems:

1. What is REP 9AC? It's impossible to tell, although that in itself is not
uncommon in new drug development, but at the very least the researchers
need
to describe the compound and give some idea of the mechanism of action,
especially if they are looking for investors. In the program book it's
called a DNA-based amphipathic polymer, which makes it sound like some kind
of soapy gene therapy. One of the biggest challenge in gene therapy is how
it can be delivered through cell membranes and get inside the nucleus of
the
cell, find the specific gene site and react with it. It's a very new and
difficult area of research, and there are only a few different known
effective approaches. It has the potential to be quite dangerous, as it can
trigger unwanted immune activation. The poster doesn't describe how this
compound achieves this at all. The drug is administered by "slow IV
infusion", so it's probably not using a viral vector. It's called a HBsAg
release inhibitor, but again, no description of how it inhibits that
action,
and it's apparently acting independently from the HBs antibody, which rises
and falls in no direct relation to HBsAg levels.

2. The study was initiated by a Canadian company, but conducted in
Bangladesh. I'm unfamiliar with the medical research infrastructure in
Bangladesh, but for this compound to go from a study in ducks directly into
humans, I can't help but be concerned about the safety and ethical issues
here. Someone asked the Canadians why they didn't first do the study using
woodchucks - another animal model that are closer to human than ducks, the
company guy said working with woodchucks was too difficult...HUMM

3. The conclusions they drawn were way more positive than what the data
justifies. If there is a study design I failed to understand it. A total of
ten people were enrolled in the trial, which is still ongoing. One person
was disqualified (no reason given), another did not show up to his/her
appointments regularly, which leaves 8 people. These 8 people were infused
with drug in all different doses (ranging from 100-1200mg), some on once
weekly, some daily, all on different treatment durations, one was stopped
once they lost the HBsAG, had a rebound, and put back on treatment, two
have
been on treatment for 35 weeks (one lost HBsAg and the other had no
response), three out of the ten lost both HBsAG and HBV DNA and are
currently off treatment, but 3 are on treatment with no drop in HBsAG, one
with just HBsAg loss but not HBV DNA. It's all over the place.

4. The administration of the drug was "well tolerated", but no other safety
data were given, or safety measures monitored other than ALT/AST. Large ALT
spikes were seen in those who lost HBsAg, but these were not reported as
adverse events (at least two people's ALT went up to over 400 IU). ALT
flares is one of the major side effects that can stop drug development, so
it's extra alarming that this is not addressed.

5. No patient demographics or HBV genotype were provided.

So all in all, I can't say one way or the other if this treatment has
potential or it's really dangerous. I wish there's better news.

Lei

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StephenW 发表于 2011-7-12 20:46
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"就怕这药的宣传是假的或者是炒作。" - 您不能买入这个药物。因此,没有宣传广告。这 ...

看了一些文章,人家说REP9AC数据有点假,效果没那么好,你觉得这个公司会不会夸大药效骗投资啊?

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I am very familiar with the above comments by Lei Choi, because I asked him to attend the poster session on REP 9AC so that he could give us his opinion on REP 9AC. He did and very kindly provided his observations and opinions. Lei specializes on new drugs for HIV/AIDS, so he is very experienced and knowledgeable about drugs for HBV as many HIV/AIDS sufferers are co-infected with HBV.
Lei is generally correct in his comments, except I think he miss believes that REP 9AC is a gene therapy. It is not.
Yes, the exact mechanism how REP 9AC works is not publicly explained. At first, it was believed to be an entry-inhibitor in studies in animal.
The scientists behind REP 9AC are all very reputable, and so are the scientists they worked with, including one from Adelaide, Australia.
So I disagree strongly with your suggestion that they are out to cheat the investors.

REP 9AC is real, whether it is really safe and effective, the company is trying to prove with small clinical trials.  

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S,你有MSN吗?方便在网上联系吗?

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bond007 发表于 2011-7-16 18:45
你的推断不符合常理。这公司确实小。但如果你是一个非乙肝患者,你会把钱投入到小公司吗。创业的困难所在 ...

没有骗我什么钱?你意思是要骗到我本人才算骗子?或者说我才有资格说他是骗子?这个社会为什么骗子特别多?就因为大家都自扫门前雪去了,才出现了这么多骗子。

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本帖最后由 StephenW 于 2011-8-11 10:47 编辑

I want to share this post on MedHelp by Cjb3695:

by Cjb3695, 4 hours ago                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         So after emailing Replicor. I recieved an email back today with some awnsers to the questions I asked them.

Here are some brief answers to your questions:

Why arent you guys being supported by hepatitis B organizations that people are donating thousands of dollars too?
They typically do not donate money outside of their countries.

Why are people still using antivirals when we have a possible cure infront of us?
Because our drug is not approved yet.

Why cant us HBV carriers donate money less then 25k to you guys to speed up the process of testing and releasing this drug?
We are looking into this possibility.

When do you think at this rate you guys are moving will this drug be available for the public to possibly get rid of their virus?
We guess at least 3 to 4 years. Could take longer.

Michel Bazinet
                                                                                       
                                                                                                                  
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