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标题: 中国乙肝病毒携带者处境维艰 /美国《时代》杂志 [打印本页]

作者: 直面 时间: 2009-8-4 09:13 标题: 中国乙肝病毒携带者处境维艰 /美国《时代》杂志

37岁的Lu Jun在北京益仁平中心的办公室。北京益仁平中心代表了中国一亿两千万乙肝病毒携带者的利益。　
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　　Published: July 30, 2009
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　　（北京）——中国有个论坛，名叫“肝胆相照”，代表了中国所有感染乙型肝炎病毒的人。
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　　在中国，每一个乙肝病毒携带者都感到很害怕，铺天盖地的治疗乙肝的广告也把民众吓坏了。虽然这种病毒可以通过疫苗来预防，而且大多数携带者并不会真的得病。但在中国，政策规定国企、医学院、食品行业可以拒绝这些病毒携带者前往工作。
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　　根据中国的法律，乙肝病毒携带者禁止从事教师、电梯操作员、理发员、超市收银员等工种。
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　　目前，中国有一亿两千万乙肝病毒携带者，其中大部分是在1970年代——1980年代期间被感染的，当时为了给儿童接种疫苗，一个注射器被好几个孩子同时使用，造成交叉感染。另外一个感染途径是母婴感染，占到总人数的40%。
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　　北京益仁平中心有个论坛叫“肝胆相照”，部分携带者在BBS上发帖，讲述自己因为病毒携带而被用人单位开除的事情，也有的被大学拒绝录取，因为必须验血的制度造成了他们的处境。更有甚者，有的携带者为此自杀。
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　　北京大学的毕业生Wang Li，因为携带乙肝病毒，而被两家公司拒绝录取。他说：“人们很害怕这种病毒，这种行为很不负责任。他们仅仅是告诉我：你不适合这份工作。”
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　　负责“肝胆相照”论坛的Lu Jun，也是个病毒携带者。北京益仁平中心编写了最新的医疗信息，准备给那些被用人单位辞退的病毒携带者提供法律援助，此外，30万的携带者也在要求出台相关法律，以消除歧视。去年夏天，北京益仁平中心的网站服务器被迫转移到了海外，因为网站被屏蔽了。
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　　虽然，北京益仁平中心的行为并无意挑战权势，但Lu Jun承认，他们的所作所为影响到了公权机构。周二，他在办公室里说：“毕竟，有些人想维持携带者被歧视的现状。当然，在政府看来，这根本不是歧视，这只是‘误解’。”
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作者: 阿鲁迪巴 时间: 2009-8-4 09:19

：“毕竟，有些人想维持携带者被歧视的现状。当然，在政府看来，这根本不是歧视，这只是‘误解’。”说到点上了！
　　为我们的英雄喝彩！

作者: hbvhurdme 时间: 2009-8-4 09:27

误解，一个好熟悉的词语。

作者: ww1984 时间: 2009-8-4 09:29

呵呵
就只一篇啊
太少了

作者: lin406695571 时间: 2009-8-4 09:34

这“误解”我看是有意的“误解”吧。没办法谁叫我们生在中国呢。

作者: YesWeCan 时间: 2009-8-4 09:37

建议大力向国外媒体曝光！

作者: 守望者1987 时间: 2009-8-4 09:42

<<时代>>,引起他们的关注说明这次闹大了。

作者: hbvhurdme 时间: 2009-8-4 09:43

看看新浪这个博客说的，关于乙肝http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_61656f600100etdv.html?tj=1

作者: 守望者1987 时间: 2009-8-4 09:43

照片中有人在聊Q

作者: 949227314 时间: 2009-8-4 09:43

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作者: 949227314 时间: 2009-8-4 09:45

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作者: juewang2007 时间: 2009-8-4 09:47 标题: 但愿胡主席能看到

好希望胡主席能看到呀，我们的生活真是苦呀，一点也没有夸张！！

作者: hmtg2007 时间: 2009-8-4 09:52

陆军好样的，好人一生平安

作者: 小河村 时间: 2009-8-4 09:56

“毕竟，有些人想维持携带者被歧视的现状。当然，在政府看来，这根本不是歧视，这只是‘误解’。”说到点上了！

--------“和谐”社会就是这样炼成的。。。

作者: sunhk_25 时间: 2009-8-4 10:06

建议大力向国外媒体曝光！

作者: hmtg2007 时间: 2009-8-4 10:08

看来还得求求洋大爷啊，

作者: xfwy 时间: 2009-8-4 10:12

妈的，最近特别抑郁；

作者: zhuiqiugongping 时间: 2009-8-4 10:12

就是当误解，我们是无辜的啊，可政府怎么就不想办法让我们好过一点呢？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？

作者: 24680 时间: 2009-8-4 10:16

作者: 不断赶路 时间: 2009-8-4 10:26

美利坚合众国万岁！
资本主义制度万岁！
华盛顿万岁！
奥巴马万岁！

作者: panadol 时间: 2009-8-4 10:42

This is real. I have checked the original version as below.

Hepatitis Group Is Harassed in China

BEIJING — In the realm of potential threats to China’s stability, an organization that advocates on behalf of people infected with hepatitis B would seem to be low risk.

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Health Guide: Hepatitis BBut on Wednesday, the group’s director, Lu Jun, found himself squaring off against four security officials who were trying to cart away stacks of literature they claimed had been printed without official permission.

In the end, Mr. Lu scored a partial victory. After eight hours looking through drawers and photographing volunteers, the inspectors walked off with 90 pamphlets, but Mr. Lu prevented them from delving into the group’s computer files. “I fear this is not the end of it,” he said Thursday.

The raid on Mr. Lu’s organization, the Yi Ren Ping Center, comes at a precarious time for China’s nongovernmental organizations, many of which operate in a kind of legal gray zone. Two weeks ago, officials used a bureaucratic infraction as the reason to shut down the country’s pre-eminent legal rights center, Gongmeng, or Open Constitution Initiative. The closing followed a separate disbarment of 53 lawyers known for taking on civil rights and corruption cases. Just before dawn on Wednesday, the founder of Gongmeng, Xu Zhiyong, was taken into police custody, and he has not been heard from since.

“The permissible space in which civil society groups can operate was already small, but right now that circle is getting smaller and smaller,” said Sharon Hom, the executive director of Human Rights in China, which is based in New York. “If an organization is creating an independent voice, putting together a newsletter or organizing people in any way, it’s going to feel the full brunt of the authorities.”

Although it is unclear exactly why the government is tightening its grip on such organizations, legal experts and rights activists generally agree that it may be related to the celebrations, three months from now, of the 60th anniversary of China’s Communist revolution. A similar clampdown took place in the months before the 2008 Summer Olympics, when security officials in Beijing stepped up the harassment of dissidents and encouraged thousands of migrant workers to return to the countryside.

“It’s basically a foolish attempt to make the year as peaceful and uneventful as possible,” said Jiang Tianyong, a lawyer who was among those blocked from renewing their licenses.

Another explanation, Mr. Jiang and others say, is that some powerful segments of China’s leadership feel threatened by the rise of independent entities working to advance causes like labor rights or clean water, or in the case of the Yi Ren Ping Center, protection for people with hepatitis B.

There is widespread trepidation over hepatitis B in China, a fear that has been intensified by an explosion in advertising for medical testing services and sham cures. Even though it is preventable with a vaccine — and most of those infected will not become ill — state-owned companies, medical schools and food-processing plants have come to believe that it is sensible policy to bar the infected.

Under Chinese law, carriers of hepatitis B cannot work as teachers, elevator operators, barbers or supermarket cashiers. In a recent survey of 113 colleges and universities, conducted by the Yi Ren Ping Center, 94 acknowledged that infected applicants, required to take blood tests, would be summarily rejected.

Many of the 120 million carriers in China got the virus in the 1970s and 1980s, when a single contaminated syringe was sometimes used to inoculate hundreds of people at a time against diseases. The second-biggest group of carriers, about 40 percent of the total, according to the government, got the virus from their mothers during childbirth.

An online bulletin board maintained by Mr. Lu’s group is a heart-rending clearinghouse for stories of people fired from jobs, or students denied college educations, after mandatory blood tests revealed their statuses. There are also scores of tales about the ashamed and the distraught who killed themselves.

“People are so afraid of this virus, they don’t act responsibly,” said Wang Li, an engineer who just graduated from a prestigious Beijing university and saw two job offers evaporate this year when blood tests showed that he had the virus. “The only thing they told me was, ‘You are not suitable for work.’ ”

Founded in 2006 by Mr. Lu, who is also infected, the Yi Ren Ping Center provides up-to-date medical information and tries to arrange legal help for those it considers wrongly dismissed from jobs. It also encourages its 300,000 members to press for antidiscrimination laws. Last summer the center was forced to move its Web site to an overseas server after it mysteriously vanished from the Internet.

Although his organization does not seek to challenge the government’s authority, Mr. Lu recognizes that its mission can stir discomfort among the powerful and mighty. “After all, it is these people who are maintaining the status quo of discrimination,” he said in his office on Thursday. “And of course, according to the government, there is no such thing as discrimination in China. There are only misunderstandings.”

Xiyun Yang contributed research.

作者: supercat0o0 时间: 2009-8-4 10:43

这个一定要顶！！！！

作者: hi_future 时间: 2009-8-4 10:53 标题: 回复 21# 的帖子

u r our super star！！！！！！

fighting！！！！！！！！！！！！！

作者: YesWeCan 时间: 2009-8-4 10:54

原帖由 不死鸟-辉 于 2009-8-4 10:51 发表
乙肝不传染是颗糖衣炮弹~~~美日帝国主义好手段~~~

你好恶心啊，你没事干啊，哪里凉快呆哪里去！！！！！！

作者: leon045 时间: 2009-8-4 10:55

原帖由 不死鸟-辉 于 2009-8-4 10:51 发表
乙肝不传染是颗糖衣炮弹~~~美日帝国主义好手段~~~

建议版主删了他的 ID 看着他就恶心

作者: 特深沉 时间: 2009-8-4 10:55

我得声明一下，陆军现在技术上不是肝胆相照的版主了。
去年五圈会之前，当局封掉了肝胆相照论坛。后来论坛服务器转移到了美国。
为了论坛本身的安全，尽可能不再引起当局进一步压制，陆军不再挂名版主了。

作者: toolliang 时间: 2009-8-4 10:57

Lu Jun，谢谢您！！！！！

原帖由 不死鸟-辉 于 2009-8-4 10:51 发表
乙肝不传染是颗糖衣炮弹~~~美日帝国主义好手段~~~

你能去美帝国主义国家好算好

[ 本帖最后由 toolliang 于 2009-8-4 10:58 编辑 ]

作者: 天涯孤棹 时间: 2009-8-4 11:05

要顶，要顶！！！！希望国际媒体也能多关注我们，毕竟1亿人，顶很多国家一个国家的人口了！

作者: miynr88 时间: 2009-8-4 11:06

可能真的只有国外媒体才能拯救我们.可恶的GCD.

作者: besti 时间: 2009-8-4 11:06

陆军终将成为消除乙肝歧视历史上一座丰碑！
就像马丁路德金一样！

作者: hmtg2007 时间: 2009-8-4 11:08

原帖由 besti 于 2009-8-4 11:06 发表
陆军终将成为消除乙肝歧视历史上一座丰碑！
就像马丁路德金一样！

同意啊

作者: suibianqu 时间: 2009-8-4 11:12

我操你妈妈,不死鸟-辉,你可以去死了,你家所有女人世代都是卖淫的才生下你个杂种,是不是

作者: 乙人不已 时间: 2009-8-4 11:37 标题: 写得好，感谢外媒的客观报道。

写得客观公道，希望能引起国内相关部门的重视。

作者: 守望者1987 时间: 2009-8-4 12:10

有带头人，好办事

作者: 阳光鱼儿 时间: 2009-8-4 12:11

加油，无数的战友，加油啊

作者: 直面 时间: 2009-8-4 12:18

没有鸟的大力支持和顶贴
此帖子早就沉了，看来还得谢谢你

作者: 614 时间: 2009-8-4 12:24

外因是变化的条件，内因是变化的根据。

作者: besti 时间: 2009-8-4 12:30

虽然是内因决定外因，不过外因也对内因起着促进的作用

既然内因的决定权不在我们，那我们就多利用外因促进一下，量变终会引起质变的

作者: fayejames 时间: 2009-8-4 14:17

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作者: 天涯浪子220 时间: 2009-8-4 14:18 标题: 回复 9# 的帖子

什么大惊小怪的，我们上班也有QQ 啊，内部交流也要用！

作者: 天涯浪子220 时间: 2009-8-4 14:20 标题: 请让自由，民主，公平的阳光照到神州大地吧！

请让自由，民主，公平的阳光照到神州大地吧！

作者: cb0204 时间: 2009-8-4 14:32

毕竟，有些人想维持携带者被歧视的现状。当然，在政府看来，这根本不是歧视，这只是‘误解’

很同意这个说法 ZF一直打压着我们

作者: cb0204 时间: 2009-8-4 14:34

可恶我也是被打针感染的谁负这个责任

我们一村同龄人大把交叉感染！！！！

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