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标题: 乙肝表面抗原转阴的预测评分系统 [打印本页]

作者: StephenW    时间: 2012-12-28 13:48     标题: 乙肝表面抗原转阴的预测评分系统

B,C基因型的HBeAg阴性慢性乙型肝炎患者乙肝表面抗原转阴的预测评分系统
A Predictive Scoring System for the Seroclearance of HBsAg in HBeAg-seronegative Chronic Hepatitis B Patients with Genotype B or C Infection

    Jessica Liu a, b,
    Mei-Hsuan Lee b, c,
    Richard Batrla-Utermann d,
    Chin-Lan Jen b,
    Uchenna H. Iloeje e,
    Sheng-Nan Lu f,
    Li-Yu Wang g,
    San-Lin You b,
    Chuhsing K. Hsiao a,
    Hwai-I. Yang b, h, i,
    Chien-Jen Chen a, b, Corresponding author contact information, E-mail the corresponding author

    a Graduate Institute of Epidemiology and Preventative Medicine, College of Public Health, National Taiwan University, Taipei, Taiwan
    b The Genomics Research Center, Academia Sinica, Taipei, Taiwan
    c Institute of Clinical Medicine, National Yang Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan
    d Roche Diagnostics, Ltd., Switzerland
    e Global Health Economics and Outcomes Research, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co., USA
    f Department of Gastroenterology, Chang-Gung Memorial Hospital, Kaohsiung, Taiwan
    g MacKay College of Medicine, Taipei, Taiwan
    h Molecular and Genomic Epidemiology Center, China Medical University Hospital
    i Graduate Institute of Clinical Medical Science, China Medical University, Taichung, Taiwan

    http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jhep.2012.12.006, How to Cite or Link Using DOI

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Abstract
Background

Seroclearance of hepatitis B surface antigen (HBsAg) is the most ideal endpoint in the treatment of chronic hepatitis B. This study develops a predictive scoring system to assess whether the addition of serum levels HBsAg may improve the predictability of HBsAg loss.
Methods

This study included 2491 untreated participants with genotype B or C HBV infection, who were HBsAg-seropositive, HBeAg-seronegative, anti-HCV-seronegative, and cirrhosis free at study entry. Regression coefficients of predictors in Cox Regression models were converted into integer scores for predicting HBsAg seroclearance. Predictive accuracy was assessed with area under the receiver operating characteristic curves (AUROC), and predictive accuracies of models with and without serum HBsAg levels were compared. [Results]

Low serum levels of both HBsAg and HBV DNA were the strongest predictors of spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance. Compared to baseline serum HBsAg levels ⩾1000 IU/mL, the multivariate adjusted rate ratio of spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance was 10.96 (7.92-15.16) for those with baseline serum HBsAg levels <100 IU/mL. The predictive ability of HBsAg levels was modified by HBV viral load, showing a weaker effect in those with higher viral loads, and the strongest effect among those with undetectable viral loads. The inclusion of serum HBsAg levels greatly improved the AUROC for predicting HBsAg seroclearance at the fifth (from 0.79 [0.787-0.792] to 0.89 [0.889-0.891]) and tenth year (from 0.73 [0.728-0.732] to 0.84 [0.839-0.841]) after study entry.
Conclusion

Incorporated into an easy-to-use scoring system, HBV viral load and quantitative serum HBsAg levels can accurately predict HBsAg seroclearance.

作者: StephenW    时间: 2012-12-28 13:48

B型肝炎表面抗原(HBsAg)转阴是最为理想的终点在治疗慢性乙型肝炎的研究开发了一个预测评分系统,以评估是否增加了血清乙肝表面抗原可以提高可预测性HBsAg消失。
方法

这项研究包括2491未经处理的参与者与B型或C HBV感染了HBsAg血清学阳性,e抗原阴性,抗-HCV阴性,在进入研究和肝硬化。 Cox回归模型的预测回归系数转换成整数,分数,乙肝表面抗原转阴的预测。面积的接收器工作特性曲线(AUROC),模型的预测精度和无血清HBsAg水平进行了比较,预测的准确性进行了评估。 [结果]

低血清HBsAg和HBV DNA水平是最强的预测自发乙肝表面抗原转阴。相较于基线血清HBsAg水平⩾1000 IU / mL时,多变量调整后的自发乙肝表面抗原转阴率比为10.96(7.92-15.16)与基线血清HBsAg水平<100 IU /毫升。 HBsAg水平的预测能力进行了修改,呈现出较弱的影响,具有较高的病毒载量,以及中作用最强的病毒载量检测不到的HBV病毒载量。纳入的血清HBsAg水平,极大地提高了预测在第五乙肝表面抗原转阴(AUROC为0.79 [0.787-0.792],0.89 [0.889-0.891])和第十个年头(从0.73 [0.728-0.732],0.84 [0.839-0.841 ])后研究项目。
结论

合并到一个易于使用的评分系统,HBV病毒载量和血清HBsAg定量水平可以准确地预测乙肝表面抗原转阴。
作者: 咬牙硬挺    时间: 2012-12-29 12:52

感谢分享
作者: sddp1    时间: 2012-12-30 01:32

天传的王震宇已经在做了。例如公布的长贴:
3.吴【铁_丹_9】(拉米+阿德2年)
S抗原157 IU, E抗原2.98 COI。
(接近痊愈)

作者: sddp1    时间: 2012-12-30 01:48

一共有1068台湾肝炎乙e抗原(HBeAg)阴性乙肝病毒携带者血清HBV DNA水平<2000 IU / mL的基线,随访的平均时间为13.0年。病人被分为HBsAg水平的基础上,HBsAg水平和发展HBeAg阴性肝炎,肝炎爆发,和肝硬化之间的关系进行了研究。
结果:1068低病毒载量的患者中,有280 HBeAg阴性肝炎
作者: StephenW    时间: 2013-1-2 18:35

这是预测模型(非常感谢
杰西卡.刘医生 Dr Jessica Liu 提供的论文)

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作者: StephenW    时间: 2013-1-2 18:48

本帖最后由 StephenW 于 2013-1-2 18:49 编辑

A list of 5-year and 10-year probabilities of spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance by serum
HBsAg level and the total score of other predictors is shown in Table 4. In order to
emphasize the difference in spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance probabilities among different
serum HBsAg levels, the listed probabilities are stratified, using serum HBsAg levels as a
base score. Scores of age, BMI, and serum levels of HBV DNA in Model 2 of Table 3 were
summed to derive the total score of other predictors. For example, a 45-year-old male with
BMI <30 kg/m2 and undetectable serum HBV DNA has a total score of the other predictors
of 8 (1+0+7). If he has a serum HBsAg level of 100-999 IU/mL, his 5-year and 10-year
probability of spontaneous HBV seroclearance are 9.35% and 23.47%, respectively.

5年期和10年期自发的血清乙肝表面抗原转阴的可能性列表根据HBsAg的水平和
其他预测的总得分。以强调不同血清HBsAg水平之间的不同自发的HBsAg转阴概率的差异,概率是分层的,使用血清HBsAg水平为基本分数。成绩的年龄,BMI,血清HBV DNA模型2中的表3
相加,得出总成绩的其他预测。例如,一个45岁的男性BMI <30 kg/m2和检测不到血清HBV DNA的总成绩的其他预测8(1 +0+7)。如果他有100-999 IU / mL的血清HBsAg水平的,他的5年期和10年期自发HBV转阴的概率,分别为9.35%和23.47%。

作者: StephenW    时间: 2013-1-3 18:44

Jessica Liu, M.P.H. et al.

Chronic hepatitis B is a global public health threat due to its widespread distribution and potential to cause adverse clinical outcomes such as cirrhosis, hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) and even death [1, 2]. The natural history of chronic hepatitis B is typically defined by several phases, which are characterized by changes and interactions among several key seromarkers including alanine aminotransferase (ALT), hepatitis B surface antigen (HBsAg), hepatitis B e antigen (HBeAg), anti-HBe, and hepatitis B virus (HBV) DNA [3, 4].
Previous studies have shown that HBeAg-seropositive patients are at increased risk for hepatocellular carcinoma, and HBeAg seroconversion is an important milestone for clinical management of these patients [5]. For HBeAg-seronegative patients, HBsAg seroclearance has been well-documented as the most important clinical and treatment endpoint, as it signals immunity to HBV, leads to an improved prognosis, and confers lower rates of HCC [6, 7].
Our previous study from the R.E.V.E.A.L.-HBV cohort found that lowering HBV DNA
levels was the most significant predictor of spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance, with 95.8% of individuals reaching undetectable HBV DNA levels prior to spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance [8].
Recent technological advances enabled the rapid and inexpensive quantification of HBsAg levels in serum, stimulating interest in the role of quantitative HBsAg in the natural history of chronic hepatitis B [9]. Quantitative HBsAg has been suggested as a promising new seromarker for the immunological response to therapy for chronic hepatitis B as well as a potential predictor of liver disease progression [9-13]. Recently, the rapid on-treatment decline in serum HBsAg levels, as well as combination of HBsAg and HBV DNA decline has been found to predict sustained virological response to interferon therapy, as well asHBsAg loss after treatment [14-16]. Quantitative serum HBsAg levels have also been shown to successfully distinguish inactive from active carriers in genotype C and D patients [17, 18].
A few recent studies examined the predictability of quantitative HBsAg levels for HBsAg seroclearance, and showed a reverse association between serum HBsAg levels and HBsAg seroclearance in clinical patients [19-22]. However, these studies emphasized HBsAg levels as the most important predictor of seroclearance without placing enough emphasis on the role of HBV DNA levels, which has been established as an important long-term predictor of HBsAg seroclearance [19-22]. These studies were limited by small sample sizes, clinic-based enrollment of treated patients, and no direct comparison between models with and without the inclusion of serum HBsAg levels. Furthermore, they did not develop a prediction scoring system for HBsAg seroclearance.
Therefore, this study aims to develop a predictive scoring system for spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance in a natural history cohort of treatment naïve HBeAg-seronegative patients affected with genotype B or C chronic hepatitis B, to assess whether the addition of serum HBsAg levels into currently available models may improve the predictability of spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance.
慢性乙型肝炎是一个全球性的公共健康威胁,由于其广泛的分布及潜在造成不良的临床结果,如肝硬化,肝细胞癌(HCC),甚至死亡[1,2]。慢性乙型肝炎的自然史通常是由几个阶段的变化和相互作用之间的几个关键seromarkers包括丙氨酸氨基转移酶(ALT),乙型肝炎表面抗原(HBsAg),乙型肝炎e抗原(HBeAg)阳性,其特点是,反HBe阳性,B型肝炎病毒(HBV)DNA [3,4]。
以前的研究已经表明,HBeAg血清学阳性的患者是肝癌的风险增加,HBeAg血清学转换是一个重要的里程碑,对这些患者的临床管理[5]。对于e抗原阴性的患者,乙肝表面抗原转阴记载的最重要的临床治疗终点,因为它标志着对HBV的免疫力,改善预后,并赋予较低的利率HCC [6,7]。
我们以前发现的REVEAL-HBV队列的研究从降低HBV DNA
水平是最重要的预测自发乙肝表面抗原转阴,有95.8%的人达到检测不到HBV DNA水平之前,自发的乙肝表面抗原转阴[8]。
最近的技术进步,使快速和廉价的定量乙肝表面抗原血清中HBsAg定量的作用,刺激兴趣的自然史的慢性肝炎B [9]。被认为是HBsAg定量的免疫反应治疗慢性乙型肝炎,以及作为一个潜在的预测肝脏疾病的进展[9-13]一个前途的新seromarker的。最近,快速治疗血清HBsAg水平下降,以及HBsAg和HBV DNA下降的组合已经发现预测持续病毒学应答对干扰素治疗,以及asHBsAg了损失后处理[14〜16]。定量血清HBsAg水平也被证明
成功地分辨从积极的运营商处于非活动状态C和D基因型患者[17,18]。
最近的一些研究分析了对乙肝表面抗原HBsAg定量水平的可预测性
转阴,并呈现出反向之间的关联和HBsAg血清HBsAg水平
在临床上患者的血清清除[19-22]。然而,这些研究强调HBsAg水平
作为最重要的预测指标转阴的作用不够重视,没有将
HBV DNA的水平,这已被确立为一个重要的长期预测
乙肝表面抗原转阴[19-22]。这些研究仅限于小样本,临床为基础的
入学接受治疗的病人,并没有直接的比较模型和
血清HBsAg水平列入。此外,他们还没有发展预测得分
系统为乙肝表面抗原转阴。
因此,本研究的目的是开发一个自发乙肝表面抗原的预测评分系统
初次接受治疗的HBeAg阴性患者的自然史队列转阴
与B型或C慢性乙型肝炎的影响,以评估是否加入血清
HBsAg水平可能会提高到目前现有的模型的可预测性自发
乙肝表面抗原转阴。

作者: StephenW    时间: 2013-1-3 19:08

DISCUSSION
Fully elucidating the determinants of HBsAg seroclearance and predicting its occurrence is
important for the prevention of liver disease progression [7, 29, 30]. Our previous study
found that decreasing serum HBV DNA level was the most important predictor of HBsAg
seroclearance [8]. However, recent studies have shown an association between serum HBsAg levels and HBsAg seroclearance [17, 19]. This study is the first to examine whether the addition of quantitative serum HBsAg levels into current models may increase the
predictability of spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance in a large community-based natural
history study of previously untreated individuals.
In accordance with recent studies which reported serum HBsAg levels as the most important
predictor of HBsAg seroclearance among HBeAg-seronegative individuals,[19-22] our study
also found the importance of serum HBsAg levels in predicting HBsAg seroclearance.
Previous studies emphasized serum HBsAg levels alone as an independent predictor [19-22].
However, our study further emphasizes the important role of HBV viral loads in predicting
HBsAg seroclearance in addition to serum HBsAg levels.
We found a significant biological gradient between decreasing serum HBsAg levels and
increasing rates of HBsAg seroclearance, even after adjustment for serum HBV DNA level.
The cumulative lifetime incidence of HBsAg seroclearance was significantly higher among
individuals with undetectable HBV DNA levels. Although the effect of serum HBsAg levels
was extremely high for those with undetectable serum HBV DNA levels, its effect decreased
strikingly, among those with baseline serum HBV DNA levels ≥2,000 IU/mL.
The predictive ability of serum HBsAg levels varies according to different phases of disease
and is, most importantly, HBV DNA dependent. Thus, serum HBV DNA levels continue to
play a crucial role in spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance. It is also important to lower serum
levels of HBsAg in order to maximize the probability of HBsAg seroclearance, especially in
those with undetectable HBV DNA levels.
Based on results from the R.E.V.E.A.L.-HBV study, in Asian chronic hepatitis B patients
with genotypes B or C infection who were HBeAg- seropositive, serum HBV DNA levels
were the most significant predictor of HBsAg seroclearance, while serum HBsAg levels did
not play a significant role [31]. In this study, among HBeAg-seronegative Asian patients
infected with genotypes B or C with predominantly normal ALT levels and viral loads
≥2,000 IU/mL, serum HBV DNA and HBsAg levels were equivalently important for the
prediction of HBsAg seroclearance. Among those who were HBeAg-seronegative with viral
loads <2,000 IU/mL, serum HBsAg levels became the most important predictor, while HBV
DNA levels were less important (Table 2). Thus, the study by Tseng et al. may not have
found HBV DNA levels to predict HBsAg seroclearance because the study was limited to
individuals with low viral loads [19]. We did not find ALT levels to be significant, perhaps
due to the low frequency of ALT elevation in this cohort. However, this finding is in
agreement with previous studies in genotype B and C patients [8, 19-21].
Current treatment guidelines use HBV DNA levels as the main tool for monitoring chronic
hepatitis B, but have begun to incorporate serum HBsAg levels,[7] and suggest that the use of serum HBsAg levels in addition to serum HBV DNA levels may further refine clinical
management of patients with chronic hepatitis B. Studies have shown a positive correlation
between serum HBsAg and liver cccDNA levels, although this positive correlation was not
always found in HBeAg-seronegative patients [6, 11, 12, 32]. Serum HBsAg levels may
reflect the translation of mRNA’s produced from cccDNA, although the association between
HBsAg and HBV replication seems to break down in HBeAg-negative disease [9, 12, 32].
Serum HBsAg may reflect the balance between the virus and host immune response rather
than viral replication alone, although its exact role is still unclear.
Previous studies have proposed cutoff points of serum HBsAg levels for the prediction of
HBsAg seroclearance. However, it is important to note that probability of HBsAg
seroclearance is a continuum, which varies with the unique clinical profile of each patient
instead of being defined by HBsAg levels alone. In this cohort study, two separate scorebased
prediction models were developed that were able to accurately estimate the probability
of HBsAg seroclearance for different clinical profiles. While the first model containing only
serum HBV DNA levels provided moderate predictive accuracy of the 5-year and 10-year
probability of HBsAg seroclearance, the addition of serum HBsAg levels provided a
significant improvement in both 5-year and 10-year predictive accuracy. The model
containing both HBV DNA and serum HBsAg levels showed excellent calibration correlation
coefficients greater than 0.95.
The score-based prediction model has been widely used by the Framingham Heart Study to
estimate the risk of coronary heart disease [25]. In the case of chronic hepatitis B, this
methodology has been successfully applied in predicting the long-term risk of HCC [26, 27].
The predictive score system in this study not only incorporates other well-known predictors
of HBsAg seroclearance, but captures a profile-based probability distribution for spontaneous HBsAg seroclearance that can be used to further stratify risk groups and refine clinical
management of patients with chronic hepatitis B. A simple score-based prediction model can
potentially eliminate the need for complicated calculations in clinical settings, allowing
clinicians to easily make clinical decisions in patient treatment while helping clinicians to
provide a personalized consultation to each patient.
There are some limitations to be noted. This study only included baseline serum HBsAg
levels, thus the long-term change in serum HBsAg levels must be further elucidated. An
ongoing study from the R.E.V.E.A.L. group will perform long-term repeated measurements
of HBsAg levels to examine HBsAg kinetics and its association with seroclearance and
clinical outcomes. In addition, participants in this study were treatment naïve chronic HBV
carriers. Therefore, the applicability of these results to patients undergoing treatment needs to be explored. Lastly, this study was limited to participants between 30 and 65 years old mostly infected at birth through perinatal infection with HBV genotype B and/or C. Therefore, rates of seroclearance in this study may differ from other genotypes. In addition, the predictive score needs to be clarified in younger carriers, those infected in adulthood, or in individuals infected with other HBV genotypes.

作者: StephenW    时间: 2013-1-3 19:09

讨论
完全阐明乙肝表面抗原转阴的决定因素,并预测其发生
重要的预防肝脏疾病进展[7,29,30]。我们以前的研究
结果发现,降低血清HBV DNA水平是最重要的预测乙肝表面抗原
的廓清[8]。然而,最近的研究表明,血清HBsAg之间的关联
水平和HBsAg转阴[17,19]。这项研究是首次检验是否
除了到当前模型的定量血清HBsAg水平可能会增加
在一个大型的以社区为基础的自然自发的乙肝表面抗原转阴的可预测性
以前未经治疗的人的历史研究。
根据最近的研究报告血清HBsAg水平作为最重要的
预测乙肝表面抗原转阴的HBeAg阴性者[19〜22]我们的研究中
还发现,血清HBsAg水平在预测乙肝表面抗原转阴的重要性。
以往的研究强调血清HBsAg水平单独作为一个独立的预测因子[19〜22]。
然而,我们的研究进一步强调了重要作用,HBV病毒载量预测
此外血清HBsAg水平的乙肝表面抗原转阴。
我们发现了一个显着的降低血清HBsAg水平和生物之间的渐变
越来越多的乙肝表面抗原转阴率,甚至调整后血清HBV DNA水平。
终生累积的乙肝表面抗原转阴率显着高于其他
个人检测不到HBV DNA水平。虽然血清HBsAg水平的效果
检测不到血清HBV DNA水平是非常高的,其效果下降
引人注目的是,在那些与基线血清HBV DNA水平≥2000 IU / mL的。
血清HBsAg水平的预测能力根据疾病的不同阶段而有所不同
,并且,最重要的是,HBV DNA依赖性。因此,血清HBV DNA水平继续
自发乙肝表面抗原转阴发挥了至关重要的作用。同样重要的是降低血清
HBsAg的水平,以便最大限度地的HBsAg转阴的概率,特别是在
检测不到HBV DNA水平。
基于REVEAL-HBV研究的结果,在亚洲慢性乙肝患者
与基因型B或C感染者的HBeAg血清学阳性,血清HBV DNA水平
最显着的预测乙肝表面抗原转阴,而血清HBsAg水平
不能起到有效的作用[31]。在这项研究中,亚洲的HBeAg阴性患者之间
感染B型或C型,主要是正常的ALT水平和病毒载量
≥2000 IU / mL时,血清HBV DNA和HBsAg水平等效重要的
乙肝表面抗原转阴的预测。在那些为HBeAg阴性的病毒性心肌炎
负载<2000 IU / mL时,血清HBsAg水平成为最重要的预测指标,而HBV
DNA含量是不太重要的(表2)。因此,曾等人的研究。可能不具有
发现HBV DNA水平预测,因为这项研究仅限于乙肝表面抗原转阴
个人与低病毒载量[19]。我们没有发现ALT水平是显着的,也许
由于ALT升高的频率很低,在这个世代。然而,这一发现是在
与以往的研究中基因型B和C的患者[19〜21]。
目前的治疗准则中使用的主要工具,用于监测慢性HBV DNA水平
乙型肝炎,但已开始将血清HBsAg水平,[7],并建议使用
除了血清HBV DNA水平的血清HBsAg水平进一步细化临床
管理与慢性B型肝炎研究的患者都表现出了正相关
血清HBsAg和肝脏cccDNA水平,但这种正相关性不
总能发现e抗原阴性的患者[6,11,12,32]。血清HBsAg水平
反映了从cccDNA的mRNA的翻译,虽然之间的关联
HBsAg和HBV复制似乎打破了在HBeAg阴性的疾病[9,12,32]。
血清HBsAg可能反映病毒与宿主之间的平衡的免疫反应,而
仅比病毒复制,但其确切作用目前还不清楚。
以前的研究已经提出的截止点的血清HBsAg水平预测
乙肝表面抗原转阴。然而,重要的是要注意,对HBsAg的概率
转阴是一个连续变化具有独特的每例患者的临床资料
被定义,而不是单独的HBsAg水平。在本队列研究中,有两个独立的scorebased
预测模型,开发了能够准确地估计概率
乙肝表面抗原转阴不同的临床型材。虽然第一个模型只包含
血清HBV DNA水平提供了适度的预测准确度的5年期和10年期
HBsAg血清清除的概率,除了血清HBsAg水平提供了一个
5年和10年的预测准确度的显着改善。该模型
同时含有HBV DNA和血清HBsAg水平表现出极好的校准相关
系数大于0.95。
得分为基础的预测模型已被广泛应用于弗雷明汉心脏研究
估计冠状动脉心脏疾病的危险[25]。在的情况下,慢性乙型肝炎,这
方法已成功地应用在预测长期风险的HCC [26,27]。
在这项研究中的预测评分系统不仅采用了其他知名预测
乙肝表面抗原转阴,但抓住了基于轮廓的概率分布,自发
乙肝表面抗原转阴,可用于进一步的危险分层组和完善临床
慢性B型肝炎患者的一个简单的基于预测模型的管理
潜在地消除了在临床环境下需要复杂的计算,使
临床医生做出临床决策,同时帮助临床医生在门诊治疗
每个病人提供个性化的咨询。
要注意有一定的局限性。这项研究只包括基线血清HBsAg
水平,从而在血清HBsAg水平的长期变化,必须进一步阐明。一个
正在进行从R.E.V.E.A.L.的研究集团将进行长期的重复测量
的检查乙肝表面抗原转阴动力学及其与HBsAg水平
临床结果。此外,这项研究的参与者是初次接受治疗的慢性HBV
运营商。因此,这些研究结果的适用性,需要接受治疗的患者
待探讨。最后,本研究仅限于参加者在30岁至65岁之间,大多
通过围产期感染HBV基因型B和/或C。因此,价格在出生时感染
在这项研究中的转阴可能有别于其他基因型。此外,预测
年轻的运营商,在成年感染者,或在个人得分需要澄清
与其他HBV基因型感染。
作者: 红日泼怒江    时间: 2013-1-5 23:46

从2009年下半年,我已经开始此项研究,2010年下半年,问题已经解决,当然,我才不发表论文,我的脾气是只要我明白了就完了,我没兴趣把笨蛋教明白。
作者: 红日泼怒江    时间: 2013-1-5 23:47

但我觉得你很有兴趣继续你的洋垃圾搬运工
作者: StephenW    时间: 2013-1-6 12:04

回复 红日泼怒江 的帖子

我知道,你研究稀释, 太可惜现在已经机械化, 数据成为垃圾.
作者: StephenW    时间: 2013-1-6 12:29

回复 红日泼怒江 的帖子

你担心自己的垃圾.
作者: 股骨颈骨折    时间: 2013-1-6 13:27

我是天津总医院的外科医生,很高兴结识诸位论坛前辈




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